Speaker 0 00:00:00 Mav con is our event, our live event. We do it three times a year, and it's for our Mavericks people in our Mavericks club who are, who are in our mastermind slash coaching program, BC before COVID we had them live and in person, and we've been to places like Santa Monica and San Diego and Melbourne, and we were supposed to go to Fiji by the way, which I'm still upset about <laugh> right. And, uh, someday soon again, hopefully we'll be live and in person again, and those are three day events, which are amazing. Last night was a very jam packed, seven plus hours. I think it was about seven hours, 15 minutes. And, uh, it's just, we have, we have workshops. Sometimes we have speakers. We have other Mavericks or coaches who demonstrate a process or a cool thing. And then we had Dr. Sherry on last night, we had Chris Lema on last night, we had this guy, Troy Dean do a keynote address. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1 00:01:00 Good. We do bring in guest speakers. And the, I think the value proposition for ma con is not only the content, but the fact that you just take a day out of business as usual. I mean, it's easier when we'd run the events in person, because you literally, you can't work while we're there. We shut the laptops. We're just writing in workbooks. We're making notes, we're doing exercises, hanging out, doing workshops with each other online. It's a little trickier because people are distracted and they just flick over to slack or emails and they check some work stuff. But the idea is that you take a day out of your business and just focus on the business. So you get some distance from the business, which allows you to incubate.
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Speaker 1 00:01:46 Today, we are going to be giving you a recap of Mav con, which, uh, we wrapped up yesterday. It's our conference that we run three times a year for our Mavericks club members. We're gonna be running you through what happened and our biggest aha moments and our biggest takeaways and a recap of all the sessions and the guests. It was epic or epic as Emily says, because she's in New Zealand <laugh> and to join me, to help me recap, Mav, she knows I love her. And, uh, she doesn't mind me taking the puss every now and then is my good friend. And co-host Pete crispy butter Perry.
Speaker 0 00:02:31 I can't tell how much I love that.
Speaker 1 00:02:33 <laugh> that's so good. Max has, uh, obviously got too much spare time and he says that
Speaker 0 00:02:37 Is so awesome.
Speaker 1 00:02:39 How did you pull up after Mahan brother?
Speaker 0 00:02:41 How did I, what, I'm
Speaker 1 00:02:42 Sorry. How did you pull up after Mahan?
Speaker 0 00:02:44 Good, good. It was
Speaker 1 00:02:45 Good because you,
Speaker 0 00:02:46 You know, it's a late, it's a, it's a long day for
Speaker 1 00:02:49 That's and also for, for you seniors. That's I just wonder how you pull up after a long day.
Speaker 0 00:02:55 Yeah. 50 fives and overs. Um,
Speaker 1 00:03:00 Yeah, it was a good day,
Speaker 0 00:03:01 You know, you're old when they have communities just for you <laugh> yeah. Oh, so, you know, because it's not like my day actually started when makin started. I started my day at eight o'clock in the morning. Yeah. And then Mav con goes till nine, nine o'clock, nine 30. And then of course you're kind of pumped up and wired and
Speaker 1 00:03:22 You're wired good
Speaker 0 00:03:23 Downstairs. My wife's watching a movie. I'm like,
Speaker 1 00:03:26 Yeah. <laugh> uh, so what time did nav gone start for you?
Speaker 0 00:03:32 2:00 PM.
Speaker 1 00:03:33 Two Eastern, which is 11:00 AM Pacific.
Speaker 0 00:03:37 Perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:38 Which was 6:00 AM the day after here on the east coast of Australia. So I was at bed at four 30 on Tuesday morning to be in the office and kick off at 6:00 AM. Uh, I didn't really sleep very well the night before because, uh, obviously I was, you know, there was something going on cause you're also old. That's right. I'm old. And I kind of worry about the future. That's what happens when you get old, you worry about the future because you're getting closer to death every day. You wake up you one day closer to death. And so you tend to get a bit of anxiety about that as you get older
Speaker 0 00:04:11 Little pink Floyd there.
Speaker 1 00:04:13 Yes. Uh, so, uh, I was just surviving on caffeine on adrenaline yesterday, which was fun until it wasn't and I'm just, I'm just checking the live stream here because somebody said, I miss Mahan and I'm trying to see who that is. And for some reason, here we go, come on. Where are the comments? Here we go. Watch live. I'll try. I'll attempt to do this.
Speaker 0 00:04:36 I'm gonna guess who that was. I won't say it out loud though.
Speaker 1 00:04:39 Watch me break the internet. It was Zach step back.
Speaker 0 00:04:42 Ah, I was wrong. Okay. I thought somebody else. Well, we miss you too. Zach.
Speaker 1 00:04:46 We do. Thomas Thomas Amos is also here. We're gonna talk about his session. He gave an amazing session yesterday on SOPs. Let's just run through the agenda. We started off. The first thing we do, uh, at, at Madon is we start off by asking, we do a bit of housekeeping and set the scene and set the context. And then we ask some of our Mavericks to share some of their journey since they've been in Maverick's club and to share what's working for them in the agency or some successes that they've had. Um, and yesterday we had two Maverick's share their, uh, their successes. You wanna, you wanna run us through who they were and what they shared Pete?
Speaker 0 00:05:26 Uh, yeah, just, um, they shared their growth basically. So, um, Lily parks is, uh, a, an agency owner over in LA and she works with, um, well, she works with a lot of different businesses, but she's a former actress, a Broadway, uh, stage actress. I don't know about Broadway, but stage actress
Speaker 1 00:05:44 And Dan professional of
Speaker 0 00:05:46 Dancer. And they actually dancer right in, she was in lion king and her husband was also in lion king <laugh>. And, uh, so she's actually creating a website as a service for that audience. But at the same time, she's also got, um, an agency going and she joined us in September. Um, we had our first flight planning call in SEP late September. By the first week of October, she had sold three signature systems, which she had never even heard of a signature system before. And then a couple weeks later she was up to five and she actually put the brakes on, on selling it because she didn't want to get overloaded. So now she got joined team accelerator with us and got a new developer and now she's up and running again. And you know, so that's amazing growth, great revenue growth, um, and especially recurring revenue growth. And Peter Freeman was the other gentleman who joined us. I think he's a, he's an Aussie. Right. But he's transplanted up in Canada.
Speaker 1 00:06:45 He's based in Canada. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he is. Wife's Canadian. And so he, yeah, he, he, uh, he's, agency's in port Lincoln, I think, or port Augusta, which is on the peninsula north of Adelaide. Uh, it's a tourist spot. He focuses on the tourism industry, but I'm pretty sure his wife is Canadian. And so they moved to Canada a couple of years before COVID. Um, in fact, uh, he came into the studio here and recorded an episode of, uh, actually, I don't think it was even an episode of the podcast. I think he just came in and kind of said today, he's been through our courses. He's been through the blueprint, built recurring revenue through care plans, had a lot of success. There came into the studio. We met in real life. We shot a video talking about his journey. And then, uh, now he's based in Canada and they focus on the tourism industry, which wasn't great during a global pandemic. And he talked about that and he talked about how he and his team essentially kind of became almost therapists for their clients because their were kind of freaking out because of the pandemic and lockdowns.
Speaker 0 00:07:47 Uh, Jen, Jen here, uh, Jayden Jayden here says that Lily parks put me to shame massive action. She puts a lot of people to shame Jayden she's that? She's all about action.
Speaker 1 00:07:56 All about. Yeah, she's awesome. Um, and, and Peter was Peter Freeman was talking about the, um, the big kind of shift for him is that he's no longer doing account management, that he's got an, a team member in place who's doing account management and that the next role for him, I mean, he's got a team of, I don't, I don't know, they're a significant size agency though. And, and, and he, the next role for him is to get himself out of project management completely so that he's, you know, out of the kind of daily operations of the business. And he can just focus on business development partnerships and bringing in new clients. Um, so after that, we went into my keynote, uh, which, uh, was called minimum viable effort and the concept, and I'm actually gonna record this. I'm gonna rerecord the keynote as a standalone training video, which I'll share in the group. Uh, we're also gonna use it as a promotional tool because I just think it's such a, um, such an interesting concept. And there's a lot of distinctions in minimum viable effort, uh, that I, I just wanna share with the wider audience. Um, the concept really that I talk about is this concept of, uh, of, um, <laugh> now of course their name escapes me not fermentation. What is it?
Speaker 0 00:09:18 Incubation
Speaker 1 00:09:19 Incubation. Thank you very much. Um, so there's concept of incubation. So the, you know, the, the, the, the, the thing that a lot of people do, including myself, I've done this for years is you say, oh, look, I'll just get the business to this point. And then I'll take some time off. And what I've learned in recent times is that the, the business can continue to grow and in fact will grow faster if you take the time off now, right? And without going into all the details, the concept in psychological circles, in, in psychology circles, the concept is known as incubation. It was a concept that was introduced by a psychologist named Greg Wallace, who outta the UK, who actually was also the co-founder of the London school of economics. He had this framework for the creative process. He, he kind of proposed that there are four phases of the creative process, preparation, incubation, illumination, and verification, and without all validation, I think without, uh, I think it's verification without going through all the details, the concept of incubation, we commonly know that as, uh, if you are stuck on a problem and you can't crack a piece of code, or you can't solve a problem, the best thing to do is step away and take a break.
Speaker 1 00:10:37 And we've heard that since we were kids going through school, you know, teachers and parents would say that, look, just take a break, come back to it. The minute you take a break, it'll come to you. And, uh, I, I posed a question at the start of the keynote. Um, in fact, I'll pose the question here. Um, first thing that comes into your head, finish this sentence, just let us know in the comments. First thing that comes into your head, finish this sentence, my best ideas come to me when I'm dropping in the comments now. And, uh, what was interesting,
Speaker 0 00:11:09 A really good, a really good, simple incubation example is when you're trying to remember somebody's name and you can't remember, and then you just say, okay, I know if I stop trying to think of it, it'll come to me. And 20 seconds later, it comes popping into your head. Yeah, that's how inclination works, but can work on a bigger scale.
Speaker 1 00:11:30 And that's because the subconscious actually works on, uh, multiple. There we go is, act step eight. My best ideas come to me when I'm listening to a record on my couch, love it. Uh, the subconscious works on can work on processing multiple bits of information at once. We don't really know how the subconscious works, but what we do know is the conscious mind can only focus on one thing at a time. I will admit that I have been I've hosted podcasts in the Fu in the past, I've hosted, you know, 250 episodes of podcast in the future, in the future. In the past, there have been times when I've been in the middle of an interview and I've zoned out. This happens to all of us. You know, you're talking to someone at a party and all of a sudden you go, I just don't remember the last sentence you said to me.
Speaker 1 00:12:13 I had no fucking idea what you just said. I've just completely zoned out because I'm thinking about the groceries that I was supposed to buy, and I'm gonna wake up tomorrow morning with a hangover. And there ain't no bananas in the house. And that's a shit experience for everyone. Sorry, what did you say your name was? Oh, sorry. Your husband had a heart attack. I'm terribly, sorry. I wasn't listening. I zoned out. Right? And that's because your conscious mind has gone somewhere else. And your conscious mind can only do one thing at a time can only focus on one piece of information at a time. This is why in meditation. It's really common for, uh, the meditation exercise to give your conscious mind a thing to focus on. It can be either your breath, some music. If you're listening to a guided meditation, a flame of a candle, if you're doing open eye meditation, right?
Speaker 1 00:13:02 Giving your conscious mind a point on the floor in front of you, giving your conscious mind, one thing to focus on, actually gets it out of the way, and then lets your subconscious and your unconscious do the work of processing the information. That's why, if you're trying to think of someone saying, oh, what is that person's name? What is that person's name? What you're doing is you're actually blocking the subconscious from doing the work that it needs to do to give you the answer because you are focusing your conscious mind on it. Right? So having said that, here we go. Sitting, listening to a classical concert in the shower was the number one question the survey says in the shower is number one. The point is everyone answered this question yesterday and not one person said that their best ideas come to them while they're at work, staring at the internet with their hands on the keyboard, nobody said their best ideas come to them at work, right?
Speaker 1 00:13:54 So the, the, what I proposed yesterday in the keynote, and I'll, I'll, I'll rerecord this at some point and get it up for you guys. What I proposed is that you will actually solve problems in your agency and come up with more creative solutions and enhance and accelerate the growth of your agency. If you schedule incubation time in your calendar and incubation time means you're not allowed to work during incubation time. And this is really challenging because what, what I'm suggesting and what I do now is I actually have swimming, gym, guitar, practice, cooking, pick up and drop off of the kids. Those things are scheduled in my calendar, which means I'm not available to my team or clients during those times when I'm swimming. Like I was yesterday, I went for a swim at two 30 yesterday afternoon. Now I work mass off yesterday morning, ma con got outta here after ma con I was in the pool at two 30.
Speaker 1 00:14:54 And I know a lot of people are gonna be saying, I can't go for a swim at two 30 in the afternoon because there's too much work to do. And this is really, this is a really tricky thing. Is this, we have this guilt that we, or this expectation that we need to be in front of the computer between nine and five or nine and six or eight and eight, however long you work, right. If I'm not in front of the computer, I'm not working. And what I'm suggesting is that you're actually doing different types of work. You're doing a different type of work, probably a more valuable type of work if you are not sitting in front of the computer.
Speaker 0 00:15:25 Well, especially, especially as a business owner, you're constantly thinking about your business or your clients or something related to your business, almost every waking hour, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, mm-hmm, <affirmative> especially. So a lot of our audience hasn't gotten to the point where they can do what you can do, Troy, which is you've got an amazing team. Me max, Emily, and the team that can take over and make decisions for you and things like that. I mean, I'm being sarcastic, but it's the truth
Speaker 1 00:15:59 It's truth. You know,
Speaker 0 00:16:00 Not everybody listening can do that yet. That's they need to evolve to get to that point. Um, so we spend as business owners, we spend an awful lot of time thinking about the business and we need to sometimes just shut it off.
Speaker 1 00:16:13 Mm-hmm
Speaker 0 00:16:14 <affirmative> you have to focus on shutting it off, go play golf, go for a swim. That's
Speaker 1 00:16:19 Right. That's right. Um, and so then I gave some very practical ways of, of implementing that. So anyway, I'll reshoot that keynote and I'll share it with you guys, but I would just urge all of anyone watching this, or listen to this, to structure some incubation time, get that in your calendar so that you force yourself to step away from the computer and just run that experiment for a couple of weeks and see what happens. Um, <affirmative> um, then what happened after my presentation, everyone was asleep. Everyone was, we had to wake everyone up cause everyone had fallen asleep during my presentation and we to wake
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Speaker 1 00:16:54 Uh, yes, that's right. Then we did a quick sponsor highlight with chase Buckner from high level, go high level, all in one sales and marketing platform go high level. And to again, we're our two sponsors, by the way, at Mav con, very grateful for those guys, uh, helping us make MACOM possible and go high levels are all in one sales and marketing platform for agencies. You've heard us talk about this. They don't sell to non agencies. Your clients cannot go sign up for go high level. They only sell to agencies. When you sign up for an account with go high level, they have to approve your account. So if you're a dentist and you sign up for go high level, they'll say, no, no, sorry. You have to go through your agency to access go high level. They are agency specific all in one sales and marketing platform to help you run your business, but also you white label it and you resell it to your audience, right. Uh, to your clients. Now I think we do have a link, which I think is just go high level.com/troy/troy Dean, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's uh, and that will, uh, get you if you sign up through that link. Yes. We make a bit of an affiliate, uh, commission. Uh, more importantly, you get our snapshot loaded into your account. So you get our sales pipeline, you get all of our automations, you get our calendars, you get our email templates, you get our text message templates, you get all that stuff, hot loaded into your account. If you sign up with our link, it's go high level.com/troy Dean, uh, going check
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Speaker 1 00:19:17 If you are running marketing campaigns for clients on average, they'll hang around about four or five months and then they'll move on because there's, there's nothing. I, number of reasons, one, they dunno what to do with the leads two, the lead, Gen's not working number of reasons that they will move on. If they're paying for software, the churn rate is less than 2%. If you are providing software that generates leads for your clients and books, appointments in their calendar, they're not gonna churn. It's a sticky part of their business. Uh, and it's a great form of recurring revenue for you guys as agencies. So go check out high level. And then what happened then after the,
Speaker 0 00:19:55 And Thomas Thomas blew our mind,
Speaker 1 00:19:57 Oh, I'll let you, I'll let you walk. I'll let you walk through what Thomas shared with us, man,
Speaker 0 00:20:02 Thomas, uh, Amos, um, when he first joined Mavericks he's he runs an agency in the UK and, uh, their, their focus is, is a lot on PPC stuff. I mean, I'm, I don't know for sure, but I'm sure they do some website stuff as well. Yeah. But, um, he, when he joined, he had a, he had a team, but he had no documented processes. Everybody kind of knew what they were supposed to be doing, but everything was up in everybody's heads. Um, he told us that how he did it and I'll tell you that in a second, but he basically went from zero documented processes to approximately 170. He has 168 processes in their playbook right now, and it's all documented. And, um, what he did was he started out doing them himself and he set a goal for, I think it was 200 by the end of a period, whatever that was some, I think it was the end of the year or something.
Speaker 0 00:21:02 And, uh, he did a few on his own 20, 30, whatever, and, and realized there's no way I'm gonna be able to do this by myself. So he got together and did this amazing. He, he put together an amazing video. <laugh> um, had a, had a, had a meeting with his team and just sat down and pressed play on the video. And the video was the star wars theme of, um, the, the credits rolling at the beginning of star wars, but it was a story about their processes and where they were now and where they needed to be. And at the end of it, it was a challenge to them to help him document 200 processes. And the reward for them was they, I won't say how much, but they got paid a certain amount of money for every X processes that they personally documented. So, um, it was incentive, it was fun and they very quickly ramped up to 168 processes, um, in their playbook. And Thomas is being generous and is going to share some of those with those of us in the, uh, Mavericks club. So that's
Speaker 1 00:22:20 Nice. Awesome. That was a fantastic presentation. It was great. Yeah. Um, they've been through a hell of a journey. They've had a lot of stuff going on in their business, uh, that they got burgled. Um, and fortunately Thomas said that having their SOPs in place allowed them to get back on track and get back up to speed pretty quickly. So that was a fantastic presentation. And I just want also wanna thank, uh, all the Mavericks yesterday who came up and spoke on the stage and shared their processes shared inside their business, shared their struggles and shared their successes with us, cuz it helps us all remember that we're not alone, we're all in this together. And it also inspires us to, you know, do better work smarter, uh, you know, focus on things. Uh, and also reminds us that we're not the only ones with, uh, with challenges. Um, what happened after Thomas?
Speaker 0 00:23:10 Uh, the next sponsor was term again.
Speaker 1 00:23:13 Oh yeah. When was Jake? Was he,
Speaker 0 00:23:16 Uh, after dinner? He was later.
Speaker 1 00:23:19 Oh, right. Okay. Um, then we had, uh, a sponsor highlight term again, Hans skill Rodd, Mr. Skill Rodd, uh, Hans skill Rodd from term again was incredible. He, I don't know whether I can announce this or not, but I'm going to, um, he <laugh>, he didn't tell me not to. They have a, so he told me something yesterday, which blew my mind right. Two weeks ago, the Austrian data protection authority ruled that if you are running Google analytics on a website, you are in breach of GDPR, right? Hmm. And the German data protection authority, they ruled a couple of weeks ago that if you are using Google fonts that are served up by the Google server, you are also in breach of GDPR because Google fonts served up by the Google server actually shares the IP address with the people, visiting your website with Google.
Speaker 0 00:26:14 Then came
Speaker 1 00:26:14 Chris. I can't remember what the schedule was.
Speaker 0 00:26:16 Chris micro segments. Chris Leer.
Speaker 1 00:26:20 Chris Leer really was that far out. I thought Jake was earlier. No, Jake in the schedule. Jake was after dinner. Alright, well this, see, I hadn't slept. And I was surviving on caffeine and it's all a bit of a blur. Chris Leer came in and gave an amazing presentation called micro segmenting.
Speaker 0 00:26:38 Yep.
Speaker 1 00:26:38 Yeah. Which this play now he hasn't been through the godfather method by the way. And I didn't know what micro segmenting was all about, but I sat there and watched the presentation yesterday and went, yay. This is perfect. Uh, essentially it's the too long didn't read version is, you know, he, and the example he used was Hilton hotels, Mercedes Benzs, uh, monday.com. If you go to monday.com and click on what industry you are in, uh, they, you go to a landing page, which basically explains how monday.com solves your specific problem, right? Mercedes-Benz he said they in Mercedes-Benz have six SUVs in production ranging from 35,000 to $85,000. Why do we need six? You said essentially, because there are six different types of personas that want to buy a Mercedes-Benz SUV, right? There are those who want it for function, wanna drop the kids off at soccer or whatever school.
Speaker 1 00:27:36 There are those that want a toy. There are those that want status. There are those that want to go fast. There's different types of buying personas. So they have six different SUVs that are just slightly different from each other. Hilton hotel have something like 14 hotels in Chicago, right? He's like, why do they have 14 hotels in Chicago? Because they know that not everyone coming into Chicago is coming in for the same reason. Some are coming in for business. Some are coming in for a holiday with the family, right? So they, they cater, they have different basically slightly different products that cater for the different buying personas. And then what he talked about was how you can craft a specific unique offer for your customer, which basically gives them the same outcome and the same solution as this customer. They're just buying for different reasons.
Speaker 1 00:28:27 So the adjunct of that is if you've been through the godfather method, there's a whole module on first of all, how to understand your customer persona and how to bring that customer persona to life and how to actually draw that out on a sheet of paper. So, you know, what your customer persona looks like, and then how to actually craft a customized offer in real time, based on what the person's told you on the call, that's important to them. Now we've been doing sales call. We've been doing role play and mock sales calls on our sales accelerator clinics on Friday mornings that we run for our sales accelerator customers. Right? And one of the things that we've noticed in those role play sales calls is, uh, that the, the agency owner, the person who's pretending to pitch their services tends to talk way too much about what it is they do and confuses the prospect.
Speaker 1 00:29:16 It's just like this fire hose monologue of, well, we can do this and we can do this and we can do this and we can do this and we can do this and we can do this and we can do this and we can do this. There you go, max, there's a nice meme for you. <laugh> and the prospect is like, uh, I don't understand what you said, and I don't want any of that. I just want this. So the idea is that you can take what the prospect has said is important to them and use that information to craft a customized offer in real time on that sales call. And it's all there in the godfather method. By the way, if you're interested in that, go check out the godfather method on the website. If you're interested in becoming, if you're interested in mastering the art of sales in your agency, which by the way, I believe is one of the most important life skills you can have as a business owner is actually understanding the theory and the method and the practical application of sales without, you know, ignoring everything you've ever learned or felt or, or heard about sales.
Speaker 1 00:30:18 Right? If you can understand the theory and the methodology and the process for taking someone from a stranger to a paying client and solving their problem and matching your product to their needs. If you can understand that you'll never go hungry, it's a very, very important life skill as a business owner. If you're interested in that, just reach out to someone on the team, uh, and have a conversation about sales accelerator or drop the word sales into the comments here. And I'll make sure someone on the team picks that up and reaches out to you. And we can jump on a quick call, find out if we're a good fit. If we can help you, uh, build out your sales process in your sales pipeline, in your business, we might not be a good fit. And if we're not, that's totally cool. But if we are, we can chat about what, uh, working with us might look like.
Speaker 1 00:30:59 So Chris LE's presentation, micro segmenting was amazing, and we've already had some feedback on makin yesterday. And his session has been voted as the favorite session by quite a few people mm-hmm <affirmative> and you know what that means. That means we will never invite him back again. <laugh> because my session always has to be the favorite, right? Because of my fragile little ego. Uh, I'm kidding. Of course. And he emailed me afterwards and he went, dude, I always have so much fun hanging out with your crew. So thank you so much for having me. And I'm like, man, so generous with his time and just such a great storyteller and such a great
Speaker 0 00:31:33 Presenter. He's such a good storyteller, such he's such a great
Speaker 1 00:31:37 Thinker. He's such a great thinker too.
Speaker 0 00:31:39 He gave a presentation with slides. Like nobody, nobody wants to see a presentation with slides unless it's from Chris
Speaker 1 00:31:46 <laugh> yeah, yeah. That's
Speaker 0 00:31:47 Right,
Speaker 1 00:31:50 Exactly. Um, then what happened?
Speaker 0 00:31:53 Then we had a meal break and then we, and then you got to talk to Jake.
Speaker 1 00:31:59 Ah, then I got to talk to Jake Goldman from 10 up my word. And so, you know, if you haven't been around Jake, if you're not sure who Jake Goldman is from 10 up, go check out. There was an episode of the agency hour, one of the earlier episodes of the agency hour, just search Jake Goldman in the Facebook group here. And you'll find the episode of the agency hour that I hosted with him. He started, he started an agency, started an agency, you know, from scratch basically. And now has over 270 people working for
Speaker 0 00:32:30 Him. Just makes ADA mind blowing ADA.
Speaker 1 00:32:35 No,
Speaker 0 00:32:36 You probably don't know that term. All right. It gives me, it gives me adjective for those of you who know what that means.
Speaker 1 00:32:40 AADA is that, is that a, is that one of those ancient prehistoric terms? They talk about
Speaker 0 00:32:44 Like that feeling in your chest, that it's like that feeling when your chest is collapsing and you're, you know,
Speaker 1 00:32:49 That's getting
Speaker 0 00:32:50 Old. I think it's an old,
Speaker 1 00:32:52 It's just getting old. That feeling in your chest is just because you're getting old. That's gonna to do. Yeah. Um, so anyway, he, so we talked about how do, how the hell do you manage a team of that size? How do you get everyone moving in the same direction? Uh, we talked about the structure of his team. It kind of, they, it kind of works in pods. Lance says that that word is Yiddish. There you go. Uh, they kind of work in pods. We talked about, he was at, uh, I think he said he was at about 40 staff when he hired someone to hire people. So you start hiring HR people when you're at about 40. He did, uh, he said the, the growth from 50 to 90 to 140 was the most challenging part. Interestingly, going from 140 to 270 was pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1 00:33:36 Um, he talked a lot, but we talked also a lot about accepting the responsibility of growing a team. Right. Um, he, he, I asked him like, you know, at some point you had a conversation with yourself that went, okay, Jake, we're all in here. I mean, he's the owner of the business. He doesn't have any business partners, it's his company. Right. And at some point he would've said, yep, we're going all in. And we're growing a big, great big team and I'm gonna accept that responsibility. Uh, he, he kind of talked about the, the mental state of that. And he also talked about the importance of recurring revenue. He's like recurring revenue. I could not do this without recurring revenue. Also talked about how
Speaker 0 00:34:12 They you've got some big time clients too.
Speaker 1 00:34:14 Yeah. They've got some amazing clients, the white house, uh, learn dash, uh, they've got an very impressive client list, 10 up.com one zero up.com. The other thing I'll say about Jake, when I first met Jake out at PressNomics, I found myself standing outside in the Cloisters. I dunno if you know what the Cloisters is, but it's like a courtyard surrounded by the hotel. Right. So it's like a courtyard in the middle of the hotel. I found myself standing out in, in like the beautiful, um, Cloisters there talking with Jake, um, Carl Hancock from gravity forms. Um, uh, I think Corey Miller was there a couple of other guys from, from larger agencies. And, you know, there were a bunch of us kind of little freelance dudes who didn't know what we were doing. And Jake was just so incredibly generous with his time. I think he just loves talking about WordPress and web in general and business growth and entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1 00:35:12 And he's always been super generous with every time I reach out to him and say, Hey, do you wanna come on and have a chat in the group or come to one of our events? He's he always makes time for us. And he, he doesn't have to do that. Like, he's just super, I mean, he's a busy man, right? He, I mean, I don't know what he gets out of it. He's not gonna pick up any work out of it, but he's just so generous with his time. And so I just wanna give another public shout out of gratitude to Jake Goldman from 10 up because I, and I just also selfishly feel like I get smarter every time I hang out with that, dude, he's just solved problems that I'm probably never gonna have to worry about and, uh, really, really appreciate him coming in and sharing with the community. It was a great presentation.
Speaker 0 00:35:48 You can tell just when he was speaking, you can just tell how much he, he loves talking about that stuff. Like he's truly there to give back is basically what it boils down to.
Speaker 1 00:35:59 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, alright. What happened then?
Speaker 0 00:36:03 The power and the glory of video testimony.
Speaker 1 00:36:06 Oh, now, Hey, also I was absolutely blown away yesterday because max who's our producer who usually hides off stage here and is very comfortable on that side of the camera. Hasn't spent a lot of time on this side of the camera and actually said that yesterday he put together a bunch of slides. He came on and he presented, he presented the, uh, basically the, the kind of why, what and how now of video testimonials and getting video case studies and video testimonials from your clients to add social proof to your story so that you can convert more. We know that video testimonials are a huge part of what helps people convert into our products and programs. And I was sitting there yesterday going well. Wow. Like, uh, well, I didn't realize this, but we now have another presenter on staff known as max Jeff cot.
Speaker 1 00:36:59 I sent him a text message afterwards going dude. That was amazing. Like, I, I, I mean, I kind of knew that it was gonna be good, but I was just kind of sitting there going, well, my job's done here. I don't even need to be here. He totally nailed it. So huge shout out to max, not only for the thinking and the work that he did, putting the presentation together, but just the way that he presented, dude, I gotta tell you, man, it's like, you're a natural, you were super confident, super chilled owned the space. It was great, man. It was awesome to see.
Speaker 0 00:37:27 And, and uh, and it's not his comfort zone. And he stepped out of his comfort zone and stepped on the other side of the camera and
Speaker 1 00:37:34 Nailed it.
Speaker 0 00:37:35 It's nailed
Speaker 0 00:38:54 Uh, then we, uh, had Dr. Sherry. Oh, <laugh> love her. She just so good. She's so good. She's such a good presenter. She's brilliant. And, uh, she's funny and yeah, she's just good.
Speaker 1 00:39:13 Dr. Sherry walling, uh, is a clinical psychologist, uh, the elephant in the room. I'll just get it outta the way. She's married to Rob walling who started drip and sold it to lead pages for, you know, squids of dollars, right. Uh, Rob Wallings, fantastic dance. Sorry.
Speaker 0 00:39:29 She can dance too.
Speaker 1 00:39:30 She can dance. I did not know. Oh, she can. That's right. She was dancing at the start. Uh, so Rob's a great entrepreneur, his own, right. But so is Sherry Sherry, uh, has a podcast. She has retreats. She has a thing called Zen tribes where, and she basically focuses on helping entrepreneurs with their mental health. Her and Rob actually wrote a book called keeping your shit together, uh, or keep your shit together. She's got a new book coming out, uh, in July this year called. Ooh. Um,
Speaker 0 00:40:02 I'll get it. Keep talking.
Speaker 1 00:40:03 I'll get it. Sorry. It's alright. I'm on a website right now. Sherry walling.com. S H E R Y w a L I N G. Uh, she's got a book coming out called two touching, two worlds, touching two worlds. Uh, and it's about grief. Um, and we talked about, we had a very, very in depth conversation about what it, what, how we are all coping in a post pandemic cluster, fuck, which is the world that we currently live in. How do we come out of what we've been through in the last two years? How do we come out of this and go back and sit in front of our clients and offer leadership and offer solutions? When most of us have had our confidence really damaged over the last couple of years, because we've been in lockdown, we've been told what we can and can't do.
Speaker 1 00:40:50 Um, and there's a lot of imposter syndrome. There's a lot of overwhelm. There's a lot of anxiety around the uncertain state of the world right now. And so how do we manage that? And, and Dr. Sherry walling said yesterday, we've been through some kind of trauma, right? And we, we are grieving our freedom. We're grieving the life that we once had. So how do we manage that and go out into the marketplace and offer our thought leadership and offer our ideas and put ourselves out there in front of people. When most of the time all we wanna do is curl up under the blankets and, you know, and, and stay safe. So we had a great conversation about that. Uh, we talked about some of the practical stuff that you can do. We talked about getting help. We talked about the signs to look out for that something might not be quite right.
Speaker 1 00:41:35 Um, she's just one of my favorite humans. She's got this incredible poise about her that allows, and we talked about this, the kind of the art of sitting with someone in an uncomfortable situation and not feeling like you have to soothe them. Right. Which by the way, I think is a really important skill to learn. As a, as, as in, in, in the role as a salesperson is to sit with someone who is making a significant investment in your services and whatever's going on for them, if they're uncomfortable, or if they're feeling a bit awkward about it, or they're trying to justify it themselves, it's got nothing to do with you. And our instinct, I think, is to just keep talking, to keep selling them into it. And yet, if you can just sit there quietly and have poise and not move and just be with them and let them arrive at their decision on their own, uh, that's a really powerful thing to be able to do.
Speaker 1 00:42:29 And she's amazing at just sitting in the uncomfortable silence with someone. And I asked her some very pointed questions yesterday, and she just took a moment and she's, she's really comfortable in those silent pauses, right? Those silent moments, which is part of her job, you have to be as a clinical psychologist. So fantastic. I just love talking to Sherry walling. I could, I mean, I just want to have her at all of our events, you know, um, and you know, like full transparency. Part of my long term plan here is to figure out if we can partner with someone like Sherry in a way to be able to help our audience with their mental health issues. Because I know that it is one of the most important things that holds us back from achieving. What we wanna achieve is the noise and the stories going on in our head. So mm-hmm, <affirmative>, um, keep, keep your eyes peeled. Standby. There'll be more, more updates as we, uh, move forward. And as we try and work something out there,
Speaker 0 00:43:24 This is where this is where we jump in and say, you're not alone. And if you need help, ask for help.
Speaker 1 00:43:30 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:43:31 So if you're feeling to be struggling in any way, reach out to us, reach out to somebody, people love you. People will take care of you.
Speaker 1 00:43:37 Yep. Totally. And you're not alone, man. You're not alone. I promise you like it's, it's, I, I, I get a lot of conversations. I have a lot of incoming messages from people in all size agencies and all parts of the world, like who, who just open up and, and tell us that they're struggling mentally, they're struggling with their mental health. Uh, it's really, really common, you know, in Australia, the statistic. And I'm gonna call bullshit on this statistic. The statistic is one in five. Australians is experiencing a mental health issue of some sort at any given point in time, one in five, right. I reckon it's about three and a half outta five and the other two and a half, just aren't talking about it. Right, exactly. Now I reckon it's one in five who are admitting that they have that they're having a mental health issue.
Speaker 1 00:44:28 Doesn't have to be, well, I'm not saying that there's one in five, having a meltdown. I'm saying the sta the statistic is that one in five are having some kind of mental health issue that is getting in the way of them living their full life. And I reckon it's probably three and a half to four outta five, and the others just aren't talking about it. Right. So, so that's, that's really the hidden impact of mental health because people culturally, we don't wanna admit that we are struggling, you know, we wanna put on a brave face. Um, so, uh, that was a really impactful conversation yesterday. And I'm super grateful for Sherry coming and, and sharing her time and her energy with us. Then we kind of, um, Hurst
Speaker 0 00:45:06 Brandon Hurst. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:45:08 That's right. Brandon. Yeah. You well, so who was on that was, did Johnny host
Speaker 0 00:45:12 That session? Johnny Johnny was on that one. Cool. That's actually, that's one that I have to rewatch cuz I only caught some of it. Um,
Speaker 1 00:45:19 I, so, so, so
Speaker 0 00:45:20 He was, he, he spoke a lot about, um, how to nurture your email list. Um, mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, it was, it, what was refreshing was a lot of, it was stuff we should already know. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but we're not necessarily executing on and he's executing on and he showed us the results that he's getting by executing on all that stuff, you know, just following the routine and, and nurturing your list. Mm. Most of us have a list of, of X, hundreds, or thousands of people. And it just sits there. <laugh> like nobody does anything with
Speaker 1 00:45:58 He's also, he's also got a trip wire product that he sells for $37. He said that he sold over $2,000 worth of that tripwire product in the last few months at, at 37 bucks each or whatever it is, 27 or $37. And after people buy that, they get an opportunity to book in a strategy, call those, that book in a strategy call. He said, he's converting about 90%. And the strategy call I think is $97. And he basically audits their website on that strategy call. And about 90% of those strategy calls are converting into higher paid products because, and services because he audits the website and then he is like, well, you know, and, and they're like, well, shit, we need to fix this. And you are clearly the person and they've just spent $37 on a, on a little product up front. I, I don't actually know what the product is, but they've already invested.
Speaker 1 00:46:44 So there's already trust there. It makes perfect sense to invest more, to get the actual problem solved. And what he does is someone who, who opts in for the free resource and doesn't buy the trip wire product. He then just emails them, I think four or five emails. And he says, people buy the trip wire product during those four or five emails. And as soon as someone buys the trip wire product, they're then presented again with the opportunity to get on a strategy call as like a one time offer. So he has this segmented, he had this beautiful flow chart that he did in whimsical, uh, that can't, which is great because I love it when people plan things out visually before you actually start using the tool, uh, and he showed us this great flow chart of how he does all the email segmentation. So super cool. And it, yeah, you're right. It's like the, these are like, he's just doing the fundamentals really well. He's just doing the basics really well. And he's got that dialed in. So that was super cool. Uh, and again, it was great to see a Maverick come on and share their, uh, share their success. So thank you, Brandon, if you're watching, thank you very much, man. Much appreciate it.
Speaker 0 00:47:40 Then we wrapped it up.
Speaker 1 00:47:42 Then we did, we wrapped it up and uh, essentially wrap up is like ENCO, like asking all of our Mavericks to revisit their flight plan, uh, which is their one page of truth for the next 90 days. And to take anything that they'd learned during Mav con and see if they could fit it in and apply it to their current flight plan and, um, and help them, uh, accelerate their results based on anything they've learned. And we also said, Hey, remember, we've recorded Mav con. So if what you've learned today, isn't relevant to your current flight plan, then just park it and come back to it later. Don't throw your current flight plan out the window based on stuff you've learned today. It's really, I see this happen all the time have been guilty of it for years as well. You see something, you learn something, you go, holy shit. We've gotta start a podcast. I was thinking about my buddy Dale Beaumont the other day, right? He's got a multiple seven figure a year business and no podcast. And I don't think he's got a YouTube channel. Like you don't need to do everything right. You don't need to do all that stuff. You just need to do the basics really well.
Speaker 0 00:48:46 You need to do one of the basics actually really well. You don't have to do all the basics. You can just do one of the basics really well. Yeah. Focus on one thing, whatever that is, PPC, social media search engine, whatever, do it for yourself and do it well.
Speaker 1 00:49:01 Yep. And so our advice to the Mavericks was, you know, don't throw out the flight plan or change your flight plan. Just stay, work the plan. And if you've learned anything today, that's gonna help you go faster or better or easier, then definitely apply it. But if not, then just park it and know that you can always come back to this stuff later. If your flight plan in three months time says, Hey, I need to, uh, you know, uh, think about micro segmenting, then come back and watch Chris LE's presentation in three months time. Right. Just park it know that it's always there. As long as you remember, you can always come back and watch the recordings. All right. Well, Hey dude, that's 56 minutes. I'm gonna know we started a couple of minutes late, but that's, that's the agency hour. There you go. Agency
Speaker 0 00:49:37 Almost hour your
Speaker 1 00:49:38 Agency. Uh, thank you for also a big shout out to the team here. I did sweet FA with makin. I just turned up and did my thing. I didn't do any of the planning. I wasn't involved in any of the organization or the planning or securing the sponsors or the speakers or any of that kind of stuff. Basically all driven and run by you
Speaker 0 00:49:57 Were, were so in the dark from the planning that you didn't know when you were gonna be on stage and when you
Speaker 1 00:50:02 Weren't <laugh> I didn't, people were just like throwing things at me and say going, oh wait, you're on stage in five minutes. Oh, who am I hosting Jake from 10 up. Oh, cool. No worries. Where are my questions here? Ask him these questions. Thanks Johnny. So Emily, Pete, max, Johnny, Michelle Charmaine, the whole crew did Christina. Christina Hawkins did an amazing job organizing everything. So thank you so, so much really appreciate it. And Lance, Evan says, thank you. This is my first time watching. Very good. Oh, thanks, Lance. Well, welcome to our ecosystem and uh, let us know what you need help with. If you wanna see any guests here on the agency hour, or you want us to talk about any particular topics, let us know in the comments. Uh, we take your feedback very seriously and we use that feedback to help make this show better for you guys.
Speaker 0 00:50:43 And next week we're on at our regular time, which is Wednesdays.
Speaker 1 00:50:47 Yeah. Wednesdays for you Thursday morning for us in Australia. Yeah. I'm taking a couple of days off, uh, tomorrow and Friday, which is why we're doing agency hour a day early this week. Uh, thank you, Pete Perry again for, uh, helping me, uh, co-host here on the agency hour and, uh, have a great week guys. We'll see you next week on the agency hour. Bye for now. Take care guys.
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